From pnoris@yahoo.com Sun Feb 13 05:09:48 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from web54408.mail.yahoo.com (web54408.mail.yahoo.com [68.142.225.164]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC8A193DB5 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 97906 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2005 13:09:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=DZSK/JTgVmN2ygfg20cTkzY+IKsKg/XeontTkDgz7LhmVlucGCj4m/Lq3wXGqpsMPgDBCQkWlxxPfeNPGXWEo1RjwfRtXyoVwDUU+4pmkroETXUIEUPkf2gsFCDMjNiZccwI5nvk6JSrJRl63xaAGbAGqG1Az9fCGZuCcHtk3GY= ; Message-ID: <20050213130947.97904.qmail@web54408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.59.1.54] by web54408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:09:47 PST Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:09:47 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Noris To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [GRRiders] any recumbents out there? X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:09:48 -0000 I plan to do the Gold Rush on a Gold Rush - any other twisted - I mean 'bent - riders in the group? Peter __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From zakaplan@earthlink.net Sun Feb 13 06:11:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C788993DB5 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-2injg0f.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.192.15]) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1D0KTC-0004do-00 for goldrushriders@dbclist.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:11:31 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:11:38 -0800 Subject: Re: [GRRiders] any recumbents out there? From: Zach Kaplan To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050213130947.97904.qmail@web54408.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:11:32 -0000 on 2005/2/13 5:09, Peter Noris at pnoris@yahoo.com wrote: > I plan to do the Gold Rush on a Gold Rush - any other twisted - I mean 'bent - > riders in the > group? > > > Peter I don't think I'll take my Gold Rush, probably take the Aero instead. I saw a few other recumbent riders on the list. -------------------------------------------- Zach Kaplan Cycles Alameda, Northern California, North America 510-522-BENT (2368) zakaplan@earthlink.net From rhawks@lmi.net Sun Feb 13 13:50:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from imap.lmi.net (nagios.lmi.net [66.117.140.245]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D37293DB5 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from imap.lmi.net (imap.lmi.net [127.0.0.1]) by imap.lmi.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1DLoDpo025348; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:50:13 -0800 Received: (from webmail@localhost) by imap.lmi.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id j1DLoDgL025347; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:50:13 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: imap.lmi.net: webmail set sender to rhawks@lmi.net using -f Received: from toolshed40.ppp.lmi.net (toolshed40.ppp.lmi.net [66.117.136.51]) by webmail.lmi.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:50:13 -0800 Message-ID: <1108331413.420fcb9591060@webmail.lmi.net> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:50:13 -0800 From: rhawks@lmi.net To: Zach Kaplan Subject: Re: [GRRiders] any recumbents out there? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 66.117.136.51 cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:50:14 -0000 I saw Ron Bobb's name on the list I believe. While he isn't GPC, he is an old friend of Don's and I think once did the GPC ITT. rob Quoting Zach Kaplan : > on 2005/2/13 5:09, Peter Noris at pnoris@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I plan to do the Gold Rush on a Gold Rush - any other twisted - I mean > 'bent - > > riders in the > > group? > > > > > > Peter > > I don't think I'll take my Gold Rush, probably take the Aero instead. I saw > a few other recumbent riders on the list. > > -------------------------------------------- > Zach Kaplan Cycles > Alameda, Northern California, North America > 510-522-BENT (2368) > zakaplan@earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > GoldRushRiders mailing list > GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org > http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders > > From rhawks@lmi.net Mon Feb 14 10:01:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from imap.lmi.net (nagios.lmi.net [66.117.140.245]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBAD93DB5 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from imap.lmi.net (imap.lmi.net [127.0.0.1]) by imap.lmi.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1EI1bpo015581 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:01:37 -0800 Received: (from webmail@localhost) by imap.lmi.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id j1EI1bN8015580 for goldrushriders@dbclist.org; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:01:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: imap.lmi.net: webmail set sender to rhawks@lmi.net using -f Received: from apelon-su-209-81-57-97-cust.nextweb.net (apelon-su-209-81-57-97-cust.nextweb.net [209.81.57.97]) by webmail.lmi.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:01:37 -0800 Message-ID: <1108404097.4210e78182fcc@webmail.lmi.net> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:01:37 -0800 From: rhawks@lmi.net To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 209.81.57.97 Subject: [GRRiders] Oops X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:01:38 -0000 Sorry for the content of the post on recumbent riders. I wrote that thinking the posting had come from by local club's email list, the Grizzly Peak Cyclists. That said, Ron Bobb's name is on the list for the GRR, and he does ride recumbent. On another note, I liked seeing the listing of pre-signed riders for the GRR put up on the web. I'm interested in knowing where most riders will be coming from. I noticed a few names of riders I know to live outside of California. rob hawks richmond, ca From karoshi@pacbell.net Mon Feb 14 13:38:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from web80408.mail.yahoo.com (web80408.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.63]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 22E2693DB5 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:38:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20050214213815.7419.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.207.205.186] by web80408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:38:15 PST Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: Sterling Hada To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [GRRiders] Davis Creek Store X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:38:16 -0000 Submitted for your interest: This might not be news for the GRR organizers, but I got word from a friend and fellow prospective GRR participant about the Davis Creek Store near the turnaround. Always nice to have lots of support on brevets, and it sounds like these folk -- friends of Sydney's -- are happy to help us on the ride. Thanks. Sterling Hi Sterling Forgot to mention that the Davis Creek store (on the Gold Rush Randonee route, on Hwy 395 near Goose Lake) has new proprietors...Erika Forrest and her boyfriend John. Erika (Neneeka) used to work here at the Modoc NF, and her mom Margaret still does. They are just starting out with the store and a small deli. The store has always been a hub for the local community, but there's now a newer recreational crowd; Sugar Hill (nearby) is a summer hang gliding destination, and there are lots more RVs on the road these days. When I heard they bought the store, I printed off the Gold Rush ride information so I imagine they'll plan on being open and prepared, at least I hope so. Sydney Smith Ecologist, Sierra-Cascade Province Modoc National Forest From bill_bryant@prodigy.net Tue Feb 15 06:42:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BC2393DB8 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (bill?bryant@prodigy.net@64.160.50.154 with login) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 14:42:44 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 06:42:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Davis Creek Store From: Bill Bryant To: Sterling Hada , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050214213815.7419.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:42:46 -0000 Thanks Sterling-- FWIW, I worked the 600k checkpoint at Davis Creek during the inaugural GRR four years ago and the store staff couldn't have been more helpful. Great folks, and I'm glad to hear Margaret still works there. Along with providing the riders with food and drink, she arranged for us to use the old church site for our control, gave as an overflow option for sleeping, etc. She and the store staff were genuinely interested in the welfare and progress of the riders (and a little bit incredulous too.) ;-) Cheers, Bill Bryant > Submitted for your interest: > > This might not be news for the GRR organizers, but I > got word from a friend and fellow prospective GRR > participant about the Davis Creek Store near the > turnaround. > > Always nice to have lots of support on brevets, and it > sounds like these folk -- friends of Sydney's -- are > happy to help us on the ride. > > Thanks. > Sterling > > Hi Sterling > Forgot to mention that the Davis Creek store (on the > Gold Rush Randonee route, on Hwy 395 near Goose Lake) > has new proprietors...Erika Forrest and her boyfriend > John. Erika (Neneeka) used to work here at the Modoc > NF, and > her mom Margaret still does. They are just starting > out with the store and a small deli. The store has > always been a hub for the local community, but there's > now a newer recreational crowd; Sugar Hill (nearby) is > a summer hang gliding destination, and there are lots > more RVs on the road these > days. When I heard they bought the store, I printed > off the Gold Rush ride information so I imagine > they'll plan on being open and prepared, at least I > hope so. > > > > Sydney Smith > Ecologist, Sierra-Cascade Province > Modoc National Forest > _______________________________________________ > GoldRushRiders mailing list > GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org > http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders From Peter.Dusel@xerox.com Tue Feb 15 07:38:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from wvmler2.mail.xerox.com (wvmler2.mail.xerox.com [13.8.138.217]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7DF93DB8 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from wvmlir2.mail.xerox.com (wvmlir2.mail.xerox.com [13.147.8.222]) j1FFc35b009552; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:38:14 -0800 Received: from wvmlir2.mail.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j1FFbrQW022477; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:37:53 -0800 Received: from usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net (usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net [13.129.0.44])j1FFbRkI022267; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:37:53 -0800 Received: from usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net ([13.135.34.10]) by usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:37:50 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [GRRiders] Davis Creek Store Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:37:43 -0500 Message-ID: <309AD90BD8FC7E4383DB1ACCBF6C8DC009CF0E@usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [GRRiders] Davis Creek Store Thread-Index: AcUTbPPCvvRHQn+1T/CbhJOKWVLx6gAA0rXw From: "Dusel, Peter W" To: "Bill Bryant" , "Sterling Hada" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2005 15:37:50.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ED1E600:01C51374] X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:38:14 -0000 FWIW, I rode the inaugural GRR four years ago, and I'm certain I passed the store, but don't remember the details. Actually about all I remember of the 600k turnaround was Bill Bryant's happy face and a volunteer who's name I'm sorry I can't remember. Who stands out because he held our tandem the entire time we were at the stop (there wasn't a good place to lean it, without risking scratching up something that wasn't ours) Lastly I remember the pack of dogs that swirled around the bike at one point on the way back to Alturus, so close to us I stepped one to the ground under a pedal. Many other things stand out from the GRR too, like the cold at Eagle Lake, but I'll save most of those for later.... Gosh that was a great ride! =20 Pete -----Original Message----- From: goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org [mailto:goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org] On Behalf Of Bill Bryant Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:43 AM To: Sterling Hada; goldrushriders@dbclist.org Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Davis Creek Store Thanks Sterling-- FWIW, I worked the 600k checkpoint at Davis Creek during the inaugural GRR four years ago and the store staff couldn't have been more helpful. Great folks, and I'm glad to hear Margaret still works there. Along with providing the riders with food and drink, she arranged for us to use the old church site for our control, gave as an overflow option for sleeping, etc. She and the store staff were genuinely interested in the welfare and progress of the riders (and a little bit incredulous too.) ;-) Cheers, Bill Bryant > Submitted for your interest: >=20 > This might not be news for the GRR organizers, but I > got word from a friend and fellow prospective GRR > participant about the Davis Creek Store near the > turnaround. >=20 > Always nice to have lots of support on brevets, and it > sounds like these folk -- friends of Sydney's -- are > happy to help us on the ride. >=20 > Thanks. > Sterling >=20 > Hi Sterling > Forgot to mention that the Davis Creek store (on the > Gold Rush Randonee route, on Hwy 395 near Goose Lake) > has new proprietors...Erika Forrest and her boyfriend > John. Erika (Neneeka) used to work here at the Modoc > NF, and > her mom Margaret still does. They are just starting > out with the store and a small deli. The store has > always been a hub for the local community, but there's > now a newer recreational crowd; Sugar Hill (nearby) is > a summer hang gliding destination, and there are lots > more RVs on the road these > days. When I heard they bought the store, I printed > off the Gold Rush ride information so I imagine > they'll plan on being open and prepared, at least I > hope so. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sydney Smith > Ecologist, Sierra-Cascade Province > Modoc National Forest > _______________________________________________ > GoldRushRiders mailing list > GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org > http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders _______________________________________________ GoldRushRiders mailing list GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders From bill_bryant@prodigy.net Tue Feb 15 07:56:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.3]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 289FE93DB8 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.3?) (bill?bryant@prodigy.net@64.172.97.216 with login) by smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2005 15:56:16 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:56:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Davis Creek Store From: Bill Bryant To: "Dusel, Peter W" , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <309AD90BD8FC7E4383DB1ACCBF6C8DC009CF0E@usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:56:17 -0000 Hi Peter-- Great to hear from one of the past GRR finishers. The hard-working folks running the Davis Creek control were Dean & Sandy Goodfellow. I understand they've re-upped for another tour of duty this summer. :-) Man, those dammed dogs gave us fits for a couple of hours when you went through on Wednesday morning-- they were on an Indian reservation and the local county sheriff couldn't/wouldn't help us out too much due to reservation jurisdictions issues. After they went home, he suggested I just shoot them if they caused any further problems-- but I had foolishly left my guns at home during the randonnee. ;-) Seriously, no one got bit in 2001, only scared. Anyhoo, I've got this crazy idea that this year I'd like to try to be a rider and so might be on the other end of their hospitality-- the Goodfellows, not the dogs. But if the qualifiers don't go according to plan, I'll be out there helping somewhere along the route too. Despite the hours of work, it was a lot of fun overall. Plus, I got to travel to a neat part of the state for some scenic travel. Bill Bryant > FWIW, I rode the inaugural GRR four years ago, and I'm certain I > passed the store, but don't remember the details. Actually about all I > remember of the 600k turnaround was Bill Bryant's happy face and a > volunteer who's name I'm sorry I can't remember. Who stands out because > he held our tandem the entire time we were at the stop (there wasn't a > good place to lean it, without risking scratching up something that > wasn't ours) Lastly I remember the pack of dogs that swirled around the > bike at one point on the way back to Alturus, so close to us I stepped > one to the ground under a pedal. > > Many other things stand out from the GRR too, like the cold at > Eagle Lake, but I'll save most of those for later.... > > Gosh that was a great ride! > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > From: goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org > [mailto:goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org] On Behalf Of Bill Bryant > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:43 AM > To: Sterling Hada; goldrushriders@dbclist.org > Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Davis Creek Store > > > Thanks Sterling-- > FWIW, I worked the 600k checkpoint at Davis Creek during the inaugural > GRR > four years ago and the store staff couldn't have been more helpful. > Great > folks, and I'm glad to hear Margaret still works there. Along with > providing > the riders with food and drink, she arranged for us to use the old > church > site for our control, gave as an overflow option for sleeping, etc. She > and > the store staff were genuinely interested in the welfare and progress of > the > riders (and a little bit incredulous too.) ;-) > > Cheers, > Bill Bryant > > > > > >> Submitted for your interest: >> >> This might not be news for the GRR organizers, but I >> got word from a friend and fellow prospective GRR >> participant about the Davis Creek Store near the >> turnaround. >> >> Always nice to have lots of support on brevets, and it >> sounds like these folk -- friends of Sydney's -- are >> happy to help us on the ride. >> >> Thanks. >> Sterling >> >> Hi Sterling >> Forgot to mention that the Davis Creek store (on the >> Gold Rush Randonee route, on Hwy 395 near Goose Lake) >> has new proprietors...Erika Forrest and her boyfriend >> John. Erika (Neneeka) used to work here at the Modoc >> NF, and >> her mom Margaret still does. They are just starting >> out with the store and a small deli. The store has >> always been a hub for the local community, but there's >> now a newer recreational crowd; Sugar Hill (nearby) is >> a summer hang gliding destination, and there are lots >> more RVs on the road these >> days. When I heard they bought the store, I printed >> off the Gold Rush ride information so I imagine >> they'll plan on being open and prepared, at least I >> hope so. >> >> >> >> Sydney Smith >> Ecologist, Sierra-Cascade Province >> Modoc National Forest >> _______________________________________________ >> GoldRushRiders mailing list >> GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org >> http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders > > > _______________________________________________ > GoldRushRiders mailing list > GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org > http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders From jcossa@bellsouth.net Thu Mar 10 02:12:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.64]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D729426D for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ossa4600 ([68.214.126.245]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with SMTP id <20050310101215.DBEG28183.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Ossa4600> for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 05:12:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c52559$a22ad400$0200a8c0@Ossa4600> From: "Jim & Conchi Ossa" To: Subject: [GRRiders] any recumbents out there? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 05:12:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C5252F.B91B9390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:12:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C5252F.B91B9390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Peter, Planning to ride Gold Rush on my Aero. Hope it's as much fun as PBP. = Some say Gold Rush is the best 1200K in the world.=20 Tailwinds... 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Hi Peter,
 
Planning to ride Gold Rush on my = Aero.  Hope=20 it's as much fun as PBP. Some say Gold Rush is the best 1200K in the = world.=20
 
Tailwinds...
 
James.
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C5252F.B91B9390-- From rhawks@lmi.net Thu Mar 10 08:22:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from imap.lmi.net (nagios.lmi.net [66.117.140.245]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEEB94212 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from imap.lmi.net (imap.lmi.net [127.0.0.1]) by imap.lmi.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j2AGMUpo022931 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:22:30 -0800 Received: (from webmail@localhost) by imap.lmi.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id j2AGMUv0022930 for goldrushriders@dbclist.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:22:30 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: imap.lmi.net: webmail set sender to rhawks@lmi.net using -f Received: from hat48.ppp.lmi.net (hat48.ppp.lmi.net [66.117.136.155]) by webmail.lmi.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:22:30 -0800 Message-ID: <1110471750.42307446468b3@webmail.lmi.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:22:30 -0800 From: rhawks@lmi.net To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 66.117.136.155 Subject: [GRRiders] Davis 200k last saturday: Photos? X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:22:31 -0000 Anyone on this list attend the 200k in Davis last weekend and take photos? Let me know if they are on line somewhere. Thanks. rob hawks From ppiltch@pathcom.com Fri Mar 11 13:42:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from smtp.tor.pathcom.com (smtp.tor.pathcom.com [209.250.128.26]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A587094164 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rdsl-0740.tor.pathcom.com [207.188.64.228] (may be forged)) by smtp.tor.pathcom.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j2BLgsD0008570 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:42:55 -0500 Message-ID: <42310610.6050108@pathcom.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:44:32 -0500 From: Phil Piltch User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Subject: [GRRiders] Looking forward to the ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:42:57 -0000 Just a quick note to introduce myself to the list and to say I am=20 looking forward to doing the ride. This will be my second mountain=20 randonne=E9 - the first was RM1200 in 2002. I've also done PBP twice, so = it will be interesting to see how GRR compares to the other 1200s I've=20 done. I used to live in the SF Bay Area many years ago and make regular=20 visits to family near Berkeley, although I didn't start long distance=20 riding until after I settled in Metro Toronto. I ride with Randonneurs=20 Ontario, and do most of my grand adventures in South Central Ontario.=20 Looking forward to meeting others at the ride. Phil --=20 Phillip Piltch 11 Hollydene Road Scarborough, ON M1L 2A4 From bill_bryant@prodigy.net Fri Mar 11 17:27:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.1]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2674494164 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (bill?bryant@prodigy.net@63.206.116.151 with login) by smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2005 01:27:47 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:27:40 -0800 Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Looking forward to the ride From: Bill Bryant To: Phil Piltch , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42310610.6050108@pathcom.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:27:53 -0000 Hi Phil-- Nice to hear from you, and welcome aboard. I've enjoyed your ride reports o= n the Randonneurs Ontario web site for years. Four years ago we had Ken Dobb from Ontario do the ride and he finished in fine fashion, Michael Lau too. They are at opposite ends of the speed spectrum, so perhaps you can talk to each of them to get their various perspectives before you travel west. Here in northern California, it seems spring has sprung. Davis had its 200k brevet last Saturday and it was a big success. Nice day, friendly riders (about 85-90, very few DNFs), no serious problems that I heard about. San Francisco has already started its series and Santa Rosa kicks theirs off this Saturday. All in all, a good start to the qualifying campaign for many regional randonneurs and randonneuses. From my vantage here at RUSA HQ, I sense there is a good amount of interest for the GRR around the nation. FWIW, I was doing some recon work on the GRR route a few weeks back. The Davis 400k on May 7th will take in the first 110 miles of the GRR route. It has the most of the turns and will be ridden at night on the GRR, so seeing it in daylight during the 400k should be a help. Anyhoo, the big news was that bumpy Cranmore Road along the Sacramento Rive= r levee has had many of the potholes filled in. Four years ago this 12-mile stretch caused some worries, but for 2005 things are definitely improved. Not a super-smooth surface to be sure, but much better than before. :-) Looking forward to seeing you and all the others in July, Bill Bryant Santa Cruz, California > Just a quick note to introduce myself to the list and to say I am > looking forward to doing the ride. This will be my second mountain > randonne=E9 - the first was RM1200 in 2002. I've also done PBP twice, so > it will be interesting to see how GRR compares to the other 1200s I've > done. I used to live in the SF Bay Area many years ago and make regular > visits to family near Berkeley, although I didn't start long distance > riding until after I settled in Metro Toronto. I ride with Randonneurs > Ontario, and do most of my grand adventures in South Central Ontario. > Looking forward to meeting others at the ride. >=20 > Phil From ppiltch@pathcom.com Wed Mar 16 14:48:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from smtp.tor.pathcom.com (smtp.tor.pathcom.com [209.250.128.26]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8296D93DB5 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rdsl-0957.tor.pathcom.com [207.188.65.189] (may be forged)) by smtp.tor.pathcom.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j2GMmaD0007793 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:48:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4238B7C6.8060700@pathcom.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:48:38 -0500 From: Phil Piltch User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [GRRiders] Registration forms? X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:48:44 -0000 I've been on the GRR website for a copy of the registration form - does anyone know if one is available? I've just finished what is likely me last outing on the skis this past Sunday (a lovely sunny day at one of my favourite Nordic ski places), and will be going south with a group from my randonneur club to Table Rock State Park to get in a week of cycling. Hoping for good weather. Phil -- Phillip Piltch 11 Hollydene Road Scarborough, ON M1L 2A4 From karoshi@pacbell.net Sat Apr 2 16:10:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.1]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B655B94209 for ; Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO solo.pacbell.net) (karoshi@pacbell.net@68.127.161.133 with login) by smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2005 00:10:12 -0000 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050402161037.02cbd210@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> X-Sender: karoshi@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 16:12:47 -0800 To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org From: Sterling Hada Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [GRRiders] Reg forms are up X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 00:10:14 -0000 Not to step on anyone's toes here, nor is this to imply that I'm a "hoverer:" I just noticed that the reg forms for the GRR are on the website. In Word of PDF format. Woo hoo! Sterling From Jkspinning@aol.com Sun Apr 3 21:54:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F9D94219 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jkspinning@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r5.33.) id q.1c1.258b6821 (17079) for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:54:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Jkspinning@aol.com Message-ID: <1c1.258b6821.2f822279@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:54:17 EDT To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1112590457" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Subject: [GRRiders] Correct Date and Day for GRR Start X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 04:54:21 -0000 -------------------------------1112590457 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having looked at the web site and the Rider Packet, I'm not sure of the correct date for the start of the GRR. 7/19/05 seems to be the predominant date but there are also references to 7/9/05 and a Monday start. What is the correct starting date? Glenn Moyer -------------------------------1112590457 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Having looked at the web site and the Rider Packet, I'm not sure of the= =20 correct date for the start of the GRR.  7/19/05 seems to be the predomi= nant=20 date but there are also references to 7/9/05 and a Monday start.  What=20= is=20 the correct starting date? 
 
Glenn Moyer
 -------------------------------1112590457-- From bill_bryant@prodigy.net Mon Apr 4 07:16:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB82D93DB8 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (bill?bryant@prodigy.net@64.160.183.107 with login) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2005 14:16:27 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 07:16:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Correct Date and Day for GRR Start From: Bill Bryant To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1c1.258b6821.2f822279@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3195443787_536132" X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:16:29 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3195443787_536132 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Glenn-- I suspect there is some 2001 material being recycled when the Monday, 7/9 date is shown on current GRR materials. The GRR date for 2005 is Tuesday, 7/19=8B with a nice full moon on Thursday, the 21st for some good night riding. :-) Cheers, Bill Bryant RUSA HQ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Having looked at the web site and the Rider Packet, I'm not sure of the > correct date for the start of the GRR. 7/19/05 seems to be the predomina= nt > date but there are also references to 7/9/05 and a Monday start. What is= the > correct starting date? > =20 > Glenn Moyer >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > GoldRushRiders mailing list > GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org > http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders --B_3195443787_536132 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [GRRiders] Correct Date and Day for GRR Start Hi Glenn--
I suspect there is some 2001 material being recycled when the Monday, 7/9 d= ate is shown on current GRR materials.

The GRR date for 2005 is Tuesday, 7/19— with a nice full moon on Thur= sday, the 21st for some good night riding.    :-)

Cheers,
Bill Bryant
RUSA HQ





Having looked at the web site and the Rider Packet, I'm not sure of the cor= rect date for the start of the GRR.  7/19/05 seems to be the predominan= t date but there are also references to 7/9/05 and a Monday start.  Wha= t is the correct starting date?  
 
Glenn Moyer

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 --B_3195443787_536132-- From Peter.Dusel@xerox.com Mon Apr 4 07:24:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from wbmler3.mail.xerox.com (wbmler3.mail.xerox.com [13.13.138.218]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E4693DB8 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wbmlir3.mail.xerox.com (wbmlir3.mail.xerox.com [13.131.8.223]) j34EO2J2028392; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:24:08 -0400 Received: from wbmlir3.mail.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j34ENTp6006228; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:23:29 -0400 Received: from usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net (usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net [13.129.0.44])j34ENT2I006222; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:23:29 -0400 Received: from usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net ([13.135.34.10]) by usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:23:29 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C53921.DEFC9078" Subject: RE: [GRRiders] Correct Date and Day for GRR Start Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:23:28 -0400 Message-ID: <309AD90BD8FC7E4383DB1ACCBF6C8DC0A7E120@usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [GRRiders] Correct Date and Day for GRR Start Thread-Index: AcU5IUZBBiM5qeSLSlaVqeZWgHSPNgAACmQA From: "Dusel, Peter W" To: "Bill Bryant" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2005 14:23:29.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF2C3ED0:01C53921] X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:24:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53921.DEFC9078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, I had happily noticed the full moon date! it will be another beautiful crank up Feather River Canyon under a full moon! =20 Little road traffic, lots of trains and falling water noises and the canyon in the ghostly light of the full moon. =20 I have great memories of that from 2001, hope to repeat it this year. =20 Pete -----Original Message----- From: goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org [mailto:goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org] On Behalf Of Bill Bryant Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:16 AM To: Jkspinning@aol.com; goldrushriders@dbclist.org Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Correct Date and Day for GRR Start =09 =09 Hi Glenn-- I suspect there is some 2001 material being recycled when the Monday, 7/9 date is shown on current GRR materials.=20 =09 The GRR date for 2005 is Tuesday, 7/19- with a nice full moon on Thursday, the 21st for some good night riding. :-) =09 Cheers, Bill Bryant RUSA HQ =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 Having looked at the web site and the Rider Packet, I'm not sure of the correct date for the start of the GRR. 7/19/05 seems to be the predominant date but there are also references to 7/9/05 and a Monday start. What is the correct starting date? =20 =20 Glenn Moyer =09 =09 _____ =20 _______________________________________________ GoldRushRiders mailing list GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders =09 =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53921.DEFC9078 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Bill,
    I had happily noticed the full moon date! it = will=20 be another beautiful crank up Feather River Canyon under a full=20 moon!
 
    Little road traffic, lots of trains = and falling=20 water noises and the canyon in the ghostly light of the full=20 moon.
 
    I have great memories of that from 2001, = hope to=20 repeat it this year.
 
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org = [mailto:goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org]=20 On Behalf Of Bill Bryant
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 = 10:16=20 AM
To: Jkspinning@aol.com;=20 goldrushriders@dbclist.org
Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Correct = Date and=20 Day for GRR Start

Hi Glenn--
I suspect there is some 2001 = material=20 being recycled when the Monday, 7/9 date is shown on current GRR = materials.=20

The GRR date for 2005 is Tuesday, 7/19— with a nice full = moon on=20 Thursday, the 21st for some good night riding.=20    :-)

Cheers,
Bill Bryant
RUSA=20 HQ





Having looked at the = web site=20 and the Rider Packet, I'm not sure of the correct date for the start = of the=20 GRR.  7/19/05 seems to be the predominant date but there are = also=20 references to 7/9/05 and a Monday start.  What is the correct = starting=20 date?  
 
Glenn Moyer

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C53921.DEFC9078-- From ppiltch@pathcom.com Mon Apr 4 16:13:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from smtp.tor.pathcom.com (unknown [209.250.128.26]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6227D94267 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rdsl-0095.tor.pathcom.com [207.188.66.95]) by smtp.tor.pathcom.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j34NDTD0001915 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:13:30 -0400 Message-ID: <4251C5C5.4020503@pathcom.com> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:55:01 -0400 From: Phil Piltch User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Reg forms are up References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050402161037.02cbd210@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050402161037.02cbd210@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:13:41 -0000 Sterling Hada wrote: > I just noticed that the reg forms for the GRR are on the website. In > Word of PDF format. Woo hoo! Thanks for the "heads up" - I downloaded the form in both formats - now all I have to do is get in the training rides..... -- Phillip Piltch 11 Hollydene Road Scarborough, ON M1L 2A4 From rhawks@lmi.net Mon Apr 11 11:04:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from imap.lmi.net (nagios.lmi.net [66.117.140.245]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C416B94219 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imap.lmi.net (imap.lmi.net [127.0.0.1]) by imap.lmi.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3BI4iqY003930 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:04:44 -0700 Received: (from webmail@localhost) by imap.lmi.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id j3BI4itd003929 for goldrushriders@dbclist.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:04:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: imap.lmi.net: webmail set sender to rhawks@lmi.net using -f Received: from apelon-su-209-81-57-97-cust.nextweb.net (apelon-su-209-81-57-97-cust.nextweb.net [209.81.57.97]) by webmail.lmi.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:04:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1113242683.425abc3bef4c2@webmail.lmi.net> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:04:43 -0700 From: rhawks@lmi.net To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 209.81.57.97 Subject: [GRRiders] Santa Rosa 300km route questions X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:04:45 -0000 Is this route online anywhere? Anyone know the elevation gain for the course? I'm quite new to these rides so haven't done them in the past. Thanks in advance. rob hawks richmond, ca From ridelots@bwss.com Mon Apr 11 12:07:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from audi.webcom.com (audi.webcom.com [192.220.116.144]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4099E94267 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kigal (kigal.webcom.com [192.220.116.57]) by audi.webcom.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id j3BGEOYP025633 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:59:18 -0700 Received: from [65.8.177.198] by banana (WebCom SMTP 2.0) with SMTP id 64421947; Mon Apr 11 12:11 PDT 2005 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <1113242683.425abc3bef4c2@webmail.lmi.net> References: <1113242683.425abc3bef4c2@webmail.lmi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Pyle Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:07:33 -0400 To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Subject: [GRRiders] Registration questions - # of riders X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:07:42 -0000 On the web site it says riders will be limited to 175, while on the registration forms it says 150 on page 2 under GRR Qualification, and 250 on the actual registration form. I'm assuming it was raised from 175 to 250 and the 150 is a misprint - correct? Also, I sent in my registration last week. How and when can I expect to be notified about acceptance? Thanks, Dave Pyle Ft. Lauderdale, FL From jgross@stimpy.net Mon Apr 11 12:54:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from stimpy.net (dsl081-053-128.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.53.128]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEBD94267 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by stimpy.net (Postfix, from userid 314) id D152618E207; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:54:54 -0700 From: Joe Gross To: rhawks@lmi.net Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Santa Rosa 300km route questions Message-ID: <20050411195454.GA65033@felix.stimpy.net> References: <1113242683.425abc3bef4c2@webmail.lmi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1113242683.425abc3bef4c2@webmail.lmi.net> cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:54:55 -0000 http://pages.prodigy.net/scrandonneurs/pinnacles300kmap.html Looks like about 8000ft of climbing, according to my topo software. Joe On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 11:04:43AM -0700, rhawks@lmi.net wrote: > > Is this route online anywhere? Anyone know the elevation gain > for the course? I'm quite new to these rides so haven't done > them in the past. Thanks in advance. > > rob hawks > richmond, ca > _______________________________________________ > GoldRushRiders mailing list > GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org > http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders From craig.robertson@sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 11 13:04:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from web80602.mail.yahoo.com (web80602.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.79.91]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6422094267 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20050411200410.45648.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.142.183.194] by web80602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:04:10 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:04:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Robertson Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Santa Rosa 300km route questions To: Joe Gross , rhawks@lmi.net In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1505828629-1113249850=:45641" cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:04:11 -0000 --0-1505828629-1113249850=:45641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's the route for the Santa Cruz 300k. The Santa Rosa 300k goes out to Pt. Reyes. That route is http://home.pacbell.net/donnk/srcc300k.pdf I don't have an altimeter so I can't tell you about the elevation gain. On both routes, there can be a rather taxing headwind on the way home from the turnaround. Craig Robertson Joe Gross wrote: http://pages.prodigy.net/scrandonneurs/pinnacles300kmap.html Looks like about 8000ft of climbing, according to my topo software. Joe On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 11:04:43AM -0700, rhawks@lmi.net wrote: > > Is this route online anywhere? Anyone know the elevation gain > for the course? I'm quite new to these rides so haven't done > them in the past. 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That's the route for the Santa Cruz 300k. The Santa Rosa 300k goes out to Pt. Reyes.  That route is http://home.pacbell.net/donnk/srcc300k.pdf  
 
I don't have an altimeter so I can't tell you about the elevation gain.  On both routes, there can be a rather taxing headwind on the way home from the turnaround. 
 
Craig Robertson

Joe Gross <jgross-dbc@stimpy.net> wrote:
http://pages.prodigy.net/scrandonneurs/pinnacles300kmap.html

Looks like about 8000ft of climbing, according to my topo software.

Joe

On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 11:04:43AM -0700, rhawks@lmi.net wrote:
>
> Is this route online anywhere? Anyone know the elevation gain
> for the course? I'm quite new to these rides so haven't done
> them in the past. Thanks in advance.
>
> rob hawks
> richmond, ca
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I mistakenly posted the Santa Cruz route. My apologies for not reading past "Santa." See you all out there! Joe On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 12:54:54PM -0700, Joe Gross wrote: > http://pages.prodigy.net/scrandonneurs/pinnacles300kmap.html > > Looks like about 8000ft of climbing, according to my topo software. > > Joe > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 11:04:43AM -0700, rhawks@lmi.net wrote: > > > > Is this route online anywhere? Anyone know the elevation gain > > for the course? I'm quite new to these rides so haven't done > > them in the past. Thanks in advance. > > > > rob hawks > > richmond, ca > > _______________________________________________ > > GoldRushRiders mailing list > > GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org > > http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders > _______________________________________________ > GoldRushRiders mailing list > GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org > http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders From bill_bryant@prodigy.net Mon Apr 11 14:16:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.93]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 760BF94267 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (bill?bryant@prodigy.net@63.206.116.145 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2005 21:16:32 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:16:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Santa Rosa 300km route questions From: Bill Bryant To: Joe Gross , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050411195454.GA65033@felix.stimpy.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:16:34 -0000 Hi Guys-- Joe, I think perhaps you measured the Pinnacles 300k on April 23rd run by the Santa Cruz Randonneurs (SCR), but I think Rob is asking about the Santa Rosa Cycling Club's (SRCC) 300k on this Saturday. Probably the SCR vs SRCC monikers are too close to avoid confusion. (But thanks for the measurement!) Anyhoo, FWIW, I don't know the climbing for the SRCC 300k to Pt Reyes, but I did try to ride it a couple of years ago, but only got about 200k. It was a tough ride-- not so much from any long climbs, but multiple short ones and REALLY strong winds along the coast. Ride organizer Donn King said, 'Come loaded for bear' and he wasn't far off the mark. It was hard. Beautiful route, so that does take your mind off your suffering (if it is a windy day). It was pretty neat getting out to Land's End on Pt Reyes for the turnaround, it felt like we were at the edge of the continent (as indeed we were.) Anyone who finishes the SRCC 300k is, in my book, a randonneur/randonneuse with a capital "R". :-) Maybe if you went to the RUSA web site and used the Officials search tool, or the Links page by clubs, you could contact RBA Donn King and he'd have an altitude number for you? Bonne Route! Bill Bryant > http://pages.prodigy.net/scrandonneurs/pinnacles300kmap.html > > Looks like about 8000ft of climbing, according to my topo software. > > Joe > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 11:04:43AM -0700, rhawks@lmi.net wrote: >> >> Is this route online anywhere? Anyone know the elevation gain >> for the course? I'm quite new to these rides so haven't done >> them in the past. Thanks in advance. >> >> rob hawks >> richmond, ca >> _______________________________________________ >> GoldRushRiders mailing list >> GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org >> http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders > _______________________________________________ > GoldRushRiders mailing list > GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org > http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders From rahabdas@comcast.net Mon Apr 11 22:14:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F409421A for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from computer (c-67-188-119-240.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[67.188.119.240]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005041205135801600as9n2e>; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 05:14:00 +0000 Message-ID: <006501c53f1e$43ccef40$f077bc43@hsd1.ca.comcast.net> From: "rahabdas" To: , , References: <1510915506-1463747838-1112743068@boing.topica.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:12:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 05:14:02 -0000 Hello Joe! I did not see responses to your inquiry on the lists, but here's my skinny: 1. Hydration and nutrition: 100 oz. camelback and two large water bottles. Meal replacement drinks for 50-60% of total nutritional requirements. 2. Clothing layers: Four (4) layers of clothing above and two (2) layers below the waist: short sleeve jersey; long sleeve jersey; light wind breaker; rain coat; bib shorts and long tights. 3. A rear trunk rack to carry clothing, food, tools, etc. 4. Drop bags at Adin and Susanville to contain sleeping clothes, shower kit, bib shorts, socks, jersey, meal replacement drinks, batteries, etc. Drop bag at Greenville for meal replacement drinks and batteries. etc. 5. Cycle primarily in the aerobic range from 50 to 75%, e.g., maximize use of body fat stores and minimize fatigue! 6. Sleep 3+ hours at Adin outbound and Susanville inbound. Power-sleep inbound at Greenville and Oroville, as necessary. 7. Use fenders and 700x28 randonneur tyres. Robert "Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live."--Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gross" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets Like many on this list, I intend to complete the Davis Gold Rush in July. Up until today the longest rides I've done are a bunch of doubles, where I manage my clothing by wearing arm/knee/toe warmers and a vest during the morning/evening sections. These all stuff nicely into my jersey pockets during the hot day, but I wouldn't want to wear them all night since they're not warm enough. The GRR promises to be hot during the day and cold at night, meaning that I'll need to warmer layers for night riding. Even though I'll have drop bags where I can have warmer clothing waiting for me, I'm not going to make any assumptions about where I'll be when it gets cold and dark. In general I'm thinking I'll need the following Base Layer: Shorts, short sleeve Jersey, defeet wooleator socks, short finger gloves. For temps <70 and >55: Arm/knee/toe warmers, vest, thin long fingered gloves. Below 50 (especially at night when I don't have the sun warming me) I need to add a few items like long sleeve jersey layer, a thin windbreaker jacket, and possibly thicker gloves and full booties. Along with some supplies and extra food, this won't all fit in my jersey pockets and under-seat pack. What kind of solutions do people generally employ for carrying (or not carrying) the stuff they need on these long events? I have a decent commuter bike with a Tubus rack and trunk, and also have a CF road bike that weighs about 10lb less and is much more comfortable. My question can be broken down as follows - What do you carry with you on a Brevet (clothing, supplies, etc) - How do you carry it? (ie: full rack, seat post rack, carradice, etc) - What do you put in your drop bags. - Any other logistic tips. Much of the fun of the Brevets is learning how to work out these logistics. Looking forward to your suggestions. Joe From nordmaes@appliedbiosystems.com Tue Apr 12 11:06:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from prd051.appliedbiosystems.com (prd051.appliedbiosystems.com [206.139.64.39]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14B39428C; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usfosmta01.pe-c.com (usfosmta01.pe-c.com [167.116.108.7]) ESMTP id j3CI6ZtI011651; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:07:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <006501c53f1e$43ccef40$f077bc43@hsd1.ca.comcast.net> To: "rahabdas" Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.3 September 26, 2003 Message-ID: From: Eric S Nordman Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:05:58 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on USFOSMTA01/FOS/PEC(Release 6.0.3|September 26, 2003) at 04/12/2005 11:05:36 AM, Serialize complete at 04/12/2005 11:05:36 AM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00636C3088256FE1_=" cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org cc: randon@topica.com cc: jgross@stimpy.net cc: goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:06:17 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00636C3088256FE1_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Joe: While I have rode many doubles this also will be my first series of long rides. As I commute I already have one a topeak rack that mounts to the seat post and accept paniers. I plan to use a trunk on the rack rather than paniers. Recently a friend of mine purchased a light trunk setup from detour. He purchased the expandable version. This setup is much lighter than what I have and seemed a good choice for a long ride such as the GRR. Here is a link to the company site. My friend bought it at REI but I didn't see it in their on line catalog so they may not carry it any more. http://detours.us/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=61&osCsid=cfc8358b882078bbed6b7fc035ed94a4 It sounds like I will need to get a camelback. I usually carry two waterbottles but this sounds like it will not be enough for this ride. Does anyone have any recommendations on what to look for in a camelback. --Eric Nordman "rahabdas" Sent by: goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org 04/11/2005 10:12 PM To , , cc Subject [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets Hello Joe! I did not see responses to your inquiry on the lists, but here's my skinny: 1. Hydration and nutrition: 100 oz. camelback and two large water bottles. Meal replacement drinks for 50-60% of total nutritional requirements. 2. Clothing layers: Four (4) layers of clothing above and two (2) layers below the waist: short sleeve jersey; long sleeve jersey; light wind breaker; rain coat; bib shorts and long tights. 3. A rear trunk rack to carry clothing, food, tools, etc. 4. Drop bags at Adin and Susanville to contain sleeping clothes, shower kit, bib shorts, socks, jersey, meal replacement drinks, batteries, etc. Drop bag at Greenville for meal replacement drinks and batteries. etc. 5. Cycle primarily in the aerobic range from 50 to 75%, e.g., maximize use of body fat stores and minimize fatigue! 6. Sleep 3+ hours at Adin outbound and Susanville inbound. Power-sleep inbound at Greenville and Oroville, as necessary. 7. Use fenders and 700x28 randonneur tyres. Robert "Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live."--Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gross" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets Like many on this list, I intend to complete the Davis Gold Rush in July. Up until today the longest rides I've done are a bunch of doubles, where I manage my clothing by wearing arm/knee/toe warmers and a vest during the morning/evening sections. These all stuff nicely into my jersey pockets during the hot day, but I wouldn't want to wear them all night since they're not warm enough. The GRR promises to be hot during the day and cold at night, meaning that I'll need to warmer layers for night riding. Even though I'll have drop bags where I can have warmer clothing waiting for me, I'm not going to make any assumptions about where I'll be when it gets cold and dark. In general I'm thinking I'll need the following Base Layer: Shorts, short sleeve Jersey, defeet wooleator socks, short finger gloves. For temps <70 and >55: Arm/knee/toe warmers, vest, thin long fingered gloves. Below 50 (especially at night when I don't have the sun warming me) I need to add a few items like long sleeve jersey layer, a thin windbreaker jacket, and possibly thicker gloves and full booties. Along with some supplies and extra food, this won't all fit in my jersey pockets and under-seat pack. What kind of solutions do people generally employ for carrying (or not carrying) the stuff they need on these long events? I have a decent commuter bike with a Tubus rack and trunk, and also have a CF road bike that weighs about 10lb less and is much more comfortable. My question can be broken down as follows - What do you carry with you on a Brevet (clothing, supplies, etc) - How do you carry it? (ie: full rack, seat post rack, carradice, etc) - What do you put in your drop bags. - Any other logistic tips. Much of the fun of the Brevets is learning how to work out these logistics. Looking forward to your suggestions. Joe _______________________________________________ GoldRushRiders mailing list GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders --=_alternative 00636C3088256FE1_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Joe:
While I have rode many doubles this also will be my first series of long rides.  As I commute I already have one a topeak rack that mounts to the seat post and accept paniers.  I plan to use a trunk on the rack rather than paniers.  Recently a friend of mine purchased a light trunk setup from detour.  He purchased the expandable version.  This setup is much lighter than what I have and seemed a good choice for a long ride such as the GRR.
Here is a link to the company site.  My friend bought it at REI but I didn't see it in their on line catalog so they may not carry it any more.

http://detours.us/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=61&osCsid=cfc8358b882078bbed6b7fc035ed94a4

It sounds like I will need to get a camelback.  I usually carry two waterbottles  but this sounds like it will not be enough for this ride.  Does anyone have any recommendations on what to look for in a camelback.
--Eric Nordman






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Hello Joe!
I did not see responses to your inquiry on the lists, but here's my skinny:
1. Hydration and nutrition: 100 oz. camelback and two large water bottles.
Meal replacement drinks for 50-60% of total nutritional requirements.
2. Clothing layers: Four (4) layers of clothing above and two (2) layers
below the waist: short sleeve jersey; long sleeve jersey; light wind
breaker; rain coat; bib shorts and long tights.
3. A rear trunk rack to carry clothing, food, tools, etc.
4. Drop bags at Adin and Susanville to contain sleeping clothes, shower kit,
bib shorts, socks, jersey, meal replacement drinks, batteries, etc. Drop bag
at Greenville for meal replacement drinks and batteries. etc.
5. Cycle primarily in the aerobic range from 50 to 75%, e.g., maximize use
of body fat stores and minimize fatigue!
6. Sleep 3+ hours at Adin outbound and Susanville inbound. Power-sleep
inbound at Greenville and Oroville, as necessary.
7. Use fenders and 700x28 randonneur tyres.
Robert
"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live."--Mark Twain
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Gross" <jgross@stimpy.net>
To: <randon@topica.com>; <goldrushriders@dbclist.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:17 PM
Subject: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets

Like many on this list, I intend to complete the Davis Gold Rush in
July. Up until today the longest rides I've done are a bunch of
doubles, where I manage my clothing by wearing arm/knee/toe warmers
and a vest during the morning/evening sections. These all stuff nicely
into my jersey pockets during the hot day, but I wouldn't want to wear
them all night since they're not warm enough.
The GRR promises to be hot during the day and cold at night, meaning
that I'll need to warmer layers for night riding. Even though I'll
have drop bags where I can have warmer clothing waiting for me, I'm
not going to make any assumptions about where I'll be when it gets
cold and dark.
In general I'm thinking I'll need the following
Base Layer: Shorts, short sleeve Jersey, defeet wooleator socks, short
finger gloves.
For temps <70 and >55: Arm/knee/toe warmers, vest, thin long fingered
gloves.
Below 50 (especially at night when I don't have the sun warming me) I
need to add a few items like long sleeve jersey layer, a thin
windbreaker jacket, and possibly thicker gloves and full
booties. Along with some supplies and extra food, this won't all fit
in my jersey pockets and under-seat pack.
What kind of solutions do people generally employ for carrying (or not
carrying) the stuff they need on these long events? I have a decent
commuter bike with a Tubus rack and trunk, and also have a CF road
bike that weighs about 10lb less and is much more comfortable.
My question can be broken down as follows

- What do you carry with you on a Brevet (clothing, supplies, etc)

- How do you carry it? (ie: full rack, seat post rack, carradice, etc)

- What do you put in your drop bags.

- Any other logistic tips.

Much of the fun of the Brevets is learning how to work out these
logistics. Looking forward to your suggestions.

Joe


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--=_alternative 00636C3088256FE1_=-- From jgross@stimpy.net Tue Apr 12 11:21:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from stimpy.net (dsl081-053-128.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.53.128]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779DF942A1 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by stimpy.net (Postfix, from userid 314) id E991018E206; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:21:54 -0700 From: Joe Gross To: Eric S Nordman Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets Message-ID: <20050412182154.GA14516@felix.stimpy.net> References: <006501c53f1e$43ccef40$f077bc43@hsd1.ca.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org cc: randon@topica.com X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:21:55 -0000 On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 11:05:58AM -0700, Eric S Nordman wrote: > While I have rode many doubles this also will be my first series of long > rides. As I commute I already have one a topeak rack that mounts to the > seat post and accept paniers. I plan to use a trunk on the rack rather > than paniers. Recently a friend of mine purchased a light trunk setup > from detour. He purchased the expandable version. This setup is much > lighter than what I have and seemed a good choice for a long ride such as > the GRR. > Here is a link to the company site. My friend bought it at REI but I > didn't see it in their on line catalog so they may not carry it any more. > > http://detours.us/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=61&osCsid=cfc8358b882078bbed6b7fc035ed94a4 I've seen this one in person and it looks perfect. I'm ordering it for my events as well. > It sounds like I will need to get a camelback. I usually carry two > waterbottles but this sounds like it will not be enough for this ride. > Does anyone have any recommendations on what to look for in a camelback. Since my back and neck are going to hurt enough as it is, I'm sticking with two bottles. I did find some larger bottles that hold 33 oz of water that work fairly well for me. With two bottles I can hold as much as I would in my 70oz Camelbak. http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17078&subcategory_ID=4341 If you want a camelback I've been pretty happy with the Classic. It's got a small zipper pocket good for a phone and wallet and some bungie cords to hold a jacket. Joe From rhawks@lmi.net Tue Apr 12 11:34:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from imap.lmi.net (nagios.lmi.net [66.117.140.245]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EC2942A1 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imap.lmi.net (imap.lmi.net [127.0.0.1]) by imap.lmi.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j3CIY4qY028573 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:34:04 -0700 Received: (from webmail@localhost) by imap.lmi.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id j3CIY3I0028572 for goldrushriders@dbclist.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:34:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: imap.lmi.net: webmail set sender to rhawks@lmi.net using -f Received: from apelon-su-209-81-57-97-cust.nextweb.net (apelon-su-209-81-57-97-cust.nextweb.net [209.81.57.97]) by webmail.lmi.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:34:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1113330843.425c149bb4137@webmail.lmi.net> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:34:03 -0700 From: rhawks@lmi.net To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets References: <006501c53f1e$43ccef40$f077bc43@hsd1.ca.comcast.net> <20050412182154.GA14516@felix.stimpy.net> In-Reply-To: <20050412182154.GA14516@felix.stimpy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 209.81.57.97 X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:34:05 -0000 Quoting Joe Gross : > > It sounds like I will need to get a camelback. I usually carry two > > waterbottles but this sounds like it will not be enough for this ride. > > Does anyone have any recommendations on what to look for in a camelback. > > Since my back and neck are going to hurt enough as it is, I'm sticking > with two bottles. I did find some larger bottles that hold 33 oz of > water that work fairly well for me. With two bottles I can hold as > much as I would in my 70oz Camelbak. > > http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=17078&subcategory_ID=4341 > > If you want a camelback I've been pretty happy with the Classic. It's > got a small zipper pocket good for a phone and wallet and some bungie > cords to hold a jacket. In reading Jim Bradbury's write up of the 2001 Gold Rush (a great read I thought) he notes that the use of the camelback complicated his routines at controls or any time he needed to deal with clothing changes, etc. Admitting that it is very largely a personal issue, I myself have lately found that the less on my person, be it a messenger bag, camelback, or even stuffed pockets, the better it is for me. As for choice of bag for carrying things, I'm going with a Carridice Pendle. I don't think the profile of the Pendle, being wider than 'trunk racks' is an issue, as it doesn't extend out the sides more than I myself 'extend', if you know what I mean. As for water bottles, on the recommendation of my friend Jack Holmgren, I started using those huge Zefal water bottles and aside from the minimal leaking when you squeeze to hard and fast when the bottle is full, they are fine and the extra water (relative to the older, smaller bottles I used) extends my range on the bike. Take this all with a grain of salt. I'm a rookie on anything beyond double centuries. rob hawks richmond, ca From fancylug2000@yahoo.com Tue Apr 12 11:51:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from web52503.mail.yahoo.com (web52503.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.124]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0358942A1 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20655 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2005 18:51:39 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=O2VtL0bo3IXA9QM4mLN/oxl0N15rhZaDBkEi3fMrKZEr0ssOummGZ7RPXZMepDETKPopIUGgpYo/AjLcnl2Q6mvFdoHgFtZ5DbVAv8l2m3Aj5XQmwLOcmthBgraC9PCcFRb3HjE2qQ3W8SOriDBvAU/hArWi7XGLZPlS3LL2c80= ; Message-ID: <20050412185139.20651.qmail@web52503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [162.119.64.113] by web52503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:51:38 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: timothy bartoe Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets To: rhawks@lmi.net, Gold Rush In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1017107073-1113331898=:18944" X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:51:40 -0000 --0-1017107073-1113331898=:18944 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Another option for water is the Tallac double water bottle holder. At first I didn't care for this product but it's growing on me for longer rides. I used it on Saturday for a 200K and it allowed me to carry 3 bottles on my bike and I never had less then one bottle all day. I carried a 28oz bottle and a 20 oz bottle on the double cage and another 28oz bottle in the other cage. That's nearly the same if not more then a full camelbak. I would much rather do this then have anything on my back. Also, a point a reference, 70oz of water is about 5 pounds of weight and that's not counting the weight of the bag etc. Tim --0-1017107073-1113331898=:18944 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Another option for water is the Tallac double water bottle holder.  At first I didn't care for this product but it's growing on me for longer rides.  I used it on Saturday for a 200K and it allowed me to carry 3 bottles on my bike and I never had less then one bottle all day.  I carried a 28oz bottle and a 20 oz bottle on the double cage and another 28oz bottle in the other cage.  That's nearly the same if not more then a full camelbak.  I would much rather do this then have anything on my back.  Also, a point a reference, 70oz of water is about 5 pounds of weight and that's not counting the weight of the bag etc.
 
Tim

--0-1017107073-1113331898=:18944-- From Peter.Dusel@xerox.com Tue Apr 12 11:59:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from wbmler3.mail.xerox.com (wbmler3.mail.xerox.com [13.13.138.218]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC817942A1 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wbmlir3.mail.xerox.com (wbmlir3.mail.xerox.com [13.131.8.223]) j3CIx136020231; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:59:05 -0400 Received: from wbmlir3.mail.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j3CIwMux011930; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:58:22 -0400 Received: from usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net (usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net [13.129.0.44])j3CIwHLu011901; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:58:17 -0400 Received: from usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net ([13.135.34.10]) by usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:58:17 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:58:16 -0400 Message-ID: <309AD90BD8FC7E4383DB1ACCBF6C8DC009CF68@usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets Thread-Index: AcU/jPy3fJqJrzCwRYuAGZVTzmNUWwAALZew From: "Dusel, Peter W" To: "Joe Gross" , "Eric S Nordman" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2005 18:58:17.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[964550A0:01C53F91] cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org cc: randon@topica.com X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:59:15 -0000 Joe, Not certain what sort of climate you usually ride in, but in 2001 the temp at the 6 PM start of the GRR was down to 95 degrees. As I recall, the finish was equally warm! My tandem partner and I ended up waiting in Oroville till close to sunset to avoid that heat on the return! I'm from a cooler climate, New York on the Canadian border, and went through a full Camelback within the first 30 miles. In addition to that I carried two bottles on the bike, one with liquid nutrition, one with more water. I also used a lot of endurolytes, to keep the electrolyte levels up. They work for me and can be found at: http://www.e-caps.com/za/ECP?PAGE=3DPRODUCT&CAT=3DSUPFUELS&PROD.ID=3D4037= &OMI=3D &AMI=3D&uir=3Dproduct.category,SUPFUELS,Fuels%20%26%20Supplements I've used the Zefal bottles and they work fine, and I'll probably use one or two of them in addition to the Camelback again this year. To lighten the load, during the cooler stretches I won't fill everything. An empty bottle doesn't weigh much, and can be left in a drop bag. I'd suggest you consider starting with a Camelback, it can always be dropped at the bag drop, and recovered again on the way back for the final dash, or not. As I recall, unless the route changes from 2001, there was only about one town between Davis and Oroville, and few doors to knock on and beg for water. (Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm wrong.) I really hate carrying anything on my back, especially in the heat, but I find the convenience of sucking on the straw and capacity help keep me hydrated. It's also a great place to pin the cue sheet, oops, not riding tandem this year, never mind that one! Running out of water in the first hundred miles of a 1200k and getting dehydrated is a "Bad Thing" to have happen, and tough or impossible to recover from! It can really mess up the rest of the ride! If you do decide to get a Camelback, be certain to use it on your training rides, just to get used to carrying the extra weight. Of course, your mileage may vary. If you're a desert rat and can get by in 110 degree weather with little to drink, don't bother! Pete -----Original Message----- From: goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org [mailto:goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org] On Behalf Of Joe Gross Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:22 PM To: Eric S Nordman Cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org; randon@topica.com Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 11:05:58AM -0700, Eric S Nordman wrote: > While I have rode many doubles this also will be my first series of long=20 > rides. As I commute I already have one a topeak rack that mounts to the=20 > seat post and accept paniers. I plan to use a trunk on the rack rather=20 > than paniers. Recently a friend of mine purchased a light trunk setup > from detour. He purchased the expandable version. This setup is much > lighter than what I have and seemed a good choice for a long ride such as=20 > the GRR.=20 > Here is a link to the company site. My friend bought it at REI but I=20 > didn't see it in their on line catalog so they may not carry it any more. >=20 > http://detours.us/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3D61&osCsid=3Dcfc8= 358 b882078bbed6b7fc035ed94a4 I've seen this one in person and it looks perfect. I'm ordering it for my events as well. > It sounds like I will need to get a camelback. I usually carry two=20 > waterbottles but this sounds like it will not be enough for this ride.=20 > Does anyone have any recommendations on what to look for in a camelback. Since my back and neck are going to hurt enough as it is, I'm sticking with two bottles. I did find some larger bottles that hold 33 oz of water that work fairly well for me. With two bottles I can hold as much as I would in my 70oz Camelbak. http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=3D17078&subcategory_I= D =3D4341 If you want a camelback I've been pretty happy with the Classic. It's got a small zipper pocket good for a phone and wallet and some bungie cords to hold a jacket. Joe _______________________________________________ GoldRushRiders mailing list GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders From jgross@stimpy.net Tue Apr 12 12:31:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from stimpy.net (dsl081-053-128.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.53.128]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18780942A1 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by stimpy.net (Postfix, from userid 314) id 6C20318E206; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:31:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:31:11 -0700 From: Joe Gross To: "Dusel, Peter W" Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets Message-ID: <20050412193111.GA17215@felix.stimpy.net> References: <309AD90BD8FC7E4383DB1ACCBF6C8DC009CF68@usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <309AD90BD8FC7E4383DB1ACCBF6C8DC009CF68@usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net> cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org cc: randon@topica.com X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:31:12 -0000 On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 02:58:16PM -0400, Dusel, Peter W wrote: > > > I'd suggest you consider starting with a Camelback, it can > always be dropped at the bag drop, and recovered again on the way back > for the final dash, or not. As I recall, unless the route changes from > 2001, there was only about one town between Davis and Oroville, and few > doors to knock on and beg for water. (Someone more knowledgeable please > correct me if I'm wrong.) That's a good point. According to the posted route, the longest stretch between water controls is between Davis and Oraville at 101 miles. Carrying a camelback+bottles until the first stop at Oraville seems like a good idea. I can drop it off at Greenville and then pick it up on my way back. Between Greenville the longest stretch between controls is 43 miles between Adin and Altaras. Seems like that can easily be done on two big 33oz bottles. I used a camelback all last year on Doubles but after spending the last few months commuting to work with bottles I've come to appreciate not having heavy things on my back. If it promises to be hot I'll definitely bring the camelback. Getting a little dehydrated on a "short" ride like a double isn't going to have the same deleterious effect as getting dehydrated on a longer event such as this. Needless to say I'll be bringing more than I need to the start so that if I need any last minute adjustments in plans I won't be stranded. Thanks for the discussion. I think this is extremely helpful. Joe From dkinkade@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 12 18:09:55 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from web80109.mail.yahoo.com (web80109.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.82]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D1A29428C for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20050413010955.65531.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.205.198.5] by web80109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:09:55 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Kinkade Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets To: Eric S Nordman In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1700473445-1113354595=:59331" cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:09:55 -0000 --0-1700473445-1113354595=:59331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used a Camelbak Rocket on the Davis 300K and didn't feel much effect from the wind. I carry HEED in the Rocket and Perpetuem in the bottles to keep fueled and hydrated on longer rides. Also used to the Rocket since doing long rides in NV usually means limited services and I hate to see buzzards circling. Dan Eric S Nordman wrote: Joe: While I have rode many doubles this also will be my first series of long rides. As I commute I already have one a topeak rack that mounts to the seat post and accept paniers. I plan to use a trunk on the rack rather than paniers. Recently a friend of mine purchased a light trunk setup from detour. He purchased the expandable version. This setup is much lighter than what I have and seemed a good choice for a long ride such as the GRR. Here is a link to the company site. My friend bought it at REI but I didn't see it in their on line catalog so they may not carry it any more. http://detours.us/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=61&osCsid=cfc8358b882078bbed6b7fc035ed94a4 It sounds like I will need to get a camelback. I usually carry two waterbottles but this sounds like it will not be enough for this ride. Does anyone have any recommendations on what to look for in a camelback. --Eric Nordman "rahabdas" Sent by: goldrushriders-bounces@dbclist.org 04/11/2005 10:12 PM To , , cc Subject [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets Hello Joe! I did not see responses to your inquiry on the lists, but here's my skinny: 1. Hydration and nutrition: 100 oz. camelback and two large water bottles. Meal replacement drinks for 50-60% of total nutritional requirements. 2. Clothing layers: Four (4) layers of clothing above and two (2) layers below the waist: short sleeve jersey; long sleeve jersey; light wind breaker; rain coat; bib shorts and long tights. 3. A rear trunk rack to carry clothing, food, tools, etc. 4. Drop bags at Adin and Susanville to contain sleeping clothes, shower kit, bib shorts, socks, jersey, meal replacement drinks, batteries, etc. Drop bag at Greenville for meal replacement drinks and batteries. etc. 5. Cycle primarily in the aerobic range from 50 to 75%, e.g., maximize use of body fat stores and minimize fatigue! 6. Sleep 3+ hours at Adin outbound and Susanville inbound. Power-sleep inbound at Greenville and Oroville, as necessary. 7. Use fenders and 700x28 randonneur tyres. Robert "Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live."--Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gross" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets Like many on this list, I intend to complete the Davis Gold Rush in July. Up until today the longest rides I've done are a bunch of doubles, where I manage my clothing by wearing arm/knee/toe warmers and a vest during the morning/evening sections. These all stuff nicely into my jersey pockets during the hot day, but I wouldn't want to wear them all night since they're not warm enough. The GRR promises to be hot during the day and cold at night, meaning that I'll need to warmer layers for night riding. Even though I'll have drop bags where I can have warmer clothing waiting for me, I'm not going to make any assumptions about where I'll be when it gets cold and dark. In general I'm thinking I'll need the following Base Layer: Shorts, short sleeve Jersey, defeet wooleator socks, short finger gloves. For temps <70 and >55: Arm/knee/toe warmers, vest, thin long fingered gloves. Below 50 (especially at night when I don't have the sun warming me) I need to add a few items like long sleeve jersey layer, a thin windbreaker jacket, and possibly thicker gloves and full booties. Along with some supplies and extra food, this won't all fit in my jersey pockets and under-seat pack. What kind of solutions do people generally employ for carrying (or not carrying) the stuff they need on these long events? I have a decent commuter bike with a Tubus rack and trunk, and also have a CF road bike that weighs about 10lb less and is much more comfortable. My question can be broken down as follows - What do you carry with you on a Brevet (clothing, supplies, etc) - How do you carry it? (ie: full rack, seat post rack, carradice, etc) - What do you put in your drop bags. - Any other logistic tips. Much of the fun of the Brevets is learning how to work out these logistics. Looking forward to your suggestions. Joe _______________________________________________ GoldRushRiders mailing list GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders _______________________________________________ GoldRushRiders mailing list GoldRushRiders@dbclist.org http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/goldrushriders --0-1700473445-1113354595=:59331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I used a Camelbak Rocket on the Davis 300K and didn't feel much effect from the wind.  I carry HEED in the Rocket and Perpetuem in the bottles to keep fueled and hydrated on longer rides.  Also used to the Rocket since doing long rides in NV usually means limited services and I hate to see buzzards circling.
Dan

Eric S Nordman <nordmaes@appliedbiosystems.com> wrote:

Joe:
While I have rode many doubles this also will be my first series of long rides.  As I commute I already have one a topeak rack that mounts to the seat post and accept paniers.  I plan to use a trunk on the rack rather than paniers.  Recently a friend of mine purchased a light trunk setup from detour.  He purchased the expandable version.  This setup is much lighter than what I have and seemed a good choice for a long ride such as the GRR.
Here is a link to the company site.  My friend bought it at REI but I didn't see it in their on line catalog so they may not carry it any more.

http://detours.us/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=61&osCsid=cfc8358b882078bbed6b7fc035ed94a4

It sounds like I will need to get a camelback.  I usually carry two waterbottles  but this sounds like it will not be enough for this ride.  Does anyone have any recommendations on what to look for in a camelback.
--Eric Nordman






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Hello Joe!
I did not see responses to your inquiry on the lists, but here's my skinny:
1. Hydration and nutrition: 100 oz. camelback and two large water bottles.
Meal replacement drinks for 50-60% of total nutritional requirements.
2. Clothing layers: Four (4) layers of clothing above and two (2) layers
below the waist: short sleeve jersey; long sleeve jersey; light wind
breaker; rain coat; bib shorts and long tights.
3. A rear trunk rack to carry clothing, food, tools, etc.
4. Drop bags at Adin and Susanville to contain sleeping clothes, shower kit,
bib shorts, socks, jersey, meal replacement drinks, batteries, etc. Drop bag
at Greenville for meal replacement drinks and batteries. etc.
5. Cycle primarily in the aerobic range from 50 to 75%, e.g., maximize use
of body fat stores and minimize fatigue!
6. Sleep 3+ hours at Adin outbound and Susanville inbound. Power-sleep
inbound at Greenville and Oroville, as necessary.
7. Use fenders and 700x28 randonneur tyres.
Robert
"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live."--Mark Twain
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Gross" <jgross@stimpy.net>
To: <randon@topica.com>; <goldrushriders@dbclist.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:17 PM
Subject: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets

Like many on this list, I intend to complete the Davis Gold Rush in
July. Up until today the longest rides I've done are a bunch of
doubles, where I manage my clothing by wearing arm/knee/toe warmers
and a vest during the morning/evening sections. These all stuff nicely
into my jersey pockets during the hot day, but I wouldn't want to wear
them all night since they're not warm enough.
The GRR promises to be hot during the day and cold at night, meaning
that I'll need to warmer layers for night riding. Even though I'll
have drop bags where I can have warmer clothing waiting for me, I'm
not going to make any assumptions about where I'll be when it gets
cold and dark.
In general I'm thinking I'll need the following
Base Layer: Shorts, short sleeve Jersey, defeet wooleator socks, short
finger gloves.
For temps <70 and >55: Arm/knee/toe warmers, vest, thin long fingered
gloves.
Below 50 (especially at night when I don't have the sun warming me) I
need to add a few items like long sleeve jersey layer, a thin
windbreaker jacket, and possibly thicker gloves and full
booties. Along with some supplies and extra food, this won't all fit
in my jersey pockets and under-seat pack.
What kind of solutions do people generally employ for carrying (or not
carrying) the stuff they need on these long events? I have a decent
commuter bike with a Tubus rack and trunk, and also have a CF road
bike that weighs about 10lb less and is much more comfortable.
My question can be broken down as follows

- What do you carry with you on a Brevet (clothing, supplies, etc)

- How do you carry it? (ie: full rack, seat post rack, carradice, etc)

- What do you put in your drop bags.

- Any other logistic tips.

Much of the fun of the Brevets is learning how to work out these
logistics. Looking forward to your suggestions.

Joe


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--0-1700473445-1113354595=:59331-- From cycledad@juno.com Tue Apr 12 20:31:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from m09.lax.untd.com (m09.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.72]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9448B9428C for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m09.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m09.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBF3EVRA6HMW7S for (sender ); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:30:55 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: uko6F/Y8EtMJlPUea6IUxqGHUMU8wljQ/SG5rB744UCZQN8XUSfezA== Received: (from cycledad@juno.com) by m09.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KQFGR23M; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:30:11 PDT To: dkinkade@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:29:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [GRRiders] Re: Managing clothing, etc on long brevets Message-ID: <20050412.202943.2680.0.cycledad@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,10-11,13-25 From: cycledad@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1727882215 cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 03:31:07 -0000 Long Distance Gang- I've done a few long distance cycling events, including 1200K events. I typically carry two water bottles, and on the last GRR sent two drop bags ahead. Each fit in a mailing envelope. I ended up using very little from the drop bags anyway. Keep drinking, as dehydration involves a lengthy and debilitating recovery period. Water will be available relatively easily. Bring a credit card for emergencies (it's light, it works well in California, and it can buy you what you need rather than what you planned on). I carried a Camelbak at the last PBP. I never put any water in it. Oh well. Of course, YMMV. Regards, -Paul "It's Really All Mental" Guttenberg Paul Guttenberg LAB ECI #781 C-K Davis Bike Club Adventure Cycling From Peter.Dusel@xerox.com Wed Apr 13 07:08:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Received: from wbmler3.mail.xerox.com (wbmler3.mail.xerox.com [13.13.138.218]) by linux.dbclist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00E694208 for ; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com (wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com [13.131.8.221]) j3DE81pN018790; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:08:05 -0400 Received: from wbmlir1.mail.xerox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j3DE7EnV003113; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:07:14 -0400 Received: from usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net (usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net [13.129.0.44])j3DE7Cxk003067; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:07:14 -0400 Received: from usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net ([13.135.34.10]) by usa0300gw03.na.xerox.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:07:11 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:07:11 -0400 Message-ID: <309AD90BD8FC7E4383DB1ACCBF6C8DC009CF6A@usa0300ms01.na.xerox.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: News E-Mails from 2001 running Thread-Index: AcU/jqIHckHkFxQ4SVGkAkiv+2XBPgAosoWw From: "Dusel, Peter W" To: "Joe GoldRush" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2005 14:07:12.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[16838E30:01C54032] cc: goldrushriders@dbclist.org Subject: [GRRiders] News E-Mails from 2001 running X-BeenThere: goldrushriders@dbclist.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gold Rush 1200km riders list List-Unsubscribe: ,